Aha...well, there it is... aluminum! So...it seems that it is an aluminum salt versus aluminum chlorohydrate "might" be safer if aluminum itself is the rascal. At least it eliminates the other phthalate/glycol conundrum. Cheers, keep up the good work.
Thanks for this. I am the kind of person who always has a reserve stick of deodorant, tube of toothpaste, pack of butter, etc.. The next time someone mocks me for being boringly organised and efficient, I shall send them a link to this article.
I am also blessed* with a relatively odorless BO. Someone's nose can be right next to it without any disturbance. As a feature of my body I also produce little sweat (European descent so it's rather abnormal).
*but like you said being smelly is important in attraction so maybe it's not all rosey after all
Late note, but this makes sense being a microbial problem. After seeing so many chemicals/ aluminum, I dropped conventional deodorants or antiperspirants...I happened upon the mineral salt stick (from Sprouts) that works! Just get it wet and glide it on. It lasts for days and I suspect the mineral salt might act as a natural antibacterial through osmosis (draws so much water out, that it kills the bacteria?). Initially, it was mildly effective, but after 2 weeks, I can use it every day and have no adverse smells. Cheers
A really late comment: sometimes I wonder if it'd be "easier" to induce more of the mutation that some East Asians have, the one which reduces our number of apocine sweat glands, with attendant mitigating effects on BO. Seems like those same SV types would probably also be happy to trade more crumbly earwax for rarely ever needing SpeedStick again. Although I guess that'd apply more to future generations rather than existing persons...
(I'm not sure entirely how it happened, but somehow I rolled a nat20 and can currently go several months between showers with no noticeable odour variance from negligible baseline. Too bad it's not feasible to directly transplant armpit microbiomes, as you say.)
Terrain theory 😊 a lifetime of aluminum will not be great for your brain. People can smell Parkinson’s. I think it’s partly ammonia but also likely something like acrolein and some VOCs from mycobacteria
Preprint analyzing the VOCs just came out this past summer—low oleamide and tropinone (it seems weird to me that there's an endogenous level of this, although apparently it can derive from putrescine via arginine/ornithine.) and low levels of some unspecified alkanes plus high levels of others.
Tropanones have been investigated as inhibitors of Mycobacteria. My collaborator Daniel Paredes has published on ornithine/arginine and spermidine as marks in PD. Our microbiome data has some increase in ODC over controls. I have been looking at urea cycle disorders. This is where the arginine comes in to play. I think all three of these compounds are considered neuro protective. The ecosystem is attempting to keep something in check. I suspect Mycobacteria as I’ve been looking at that for at least 5 years.
Aha...well, there it is... aluminum! So...it seems that it is an aluminum salt versus aluminum chlorohydrate "might" be safer if aluminum itself is the rascal. At least it eliminates the other phthalate/glycol conundrum. Cheers, keep up the good work.
Thanks for this. I am the kind of person who always has a reserve stick of deodorant, tube of toothpaste, pack of butter, etc.. The next time someone mocks me for being boringly organised and efficient, I shall send them a link to this article.
I am also blessed* with a relatively odorless BO. Someone's nose can be right next to it without any disturbance. As a feature of my body I also produce little sweat (European descent so it's rather abnormal).
*but like you said being smelly is important in attraction so maybe it's not all rosey after all
Late note, but this makes sense being a microbial problem. After seeing so many chemicals/ aluminum, I dropped conventional deodorants or antiperspirants...I happened upon the mineral salt stick (from Sprouts) that works! Just get it wet and glide it on. It lasts for days and I suspect the mineral salt might act as a natural antibacterial through osmosis (draws so much water out, that it kills the bacteria?). Initially, it was mildly effective, but after 2 weeks, I can use it every day and have no adverse smells. Cheers
There's a reason that mineral salt stick works so well...guess what mineral it's made of!
Wild guess: aluminum?
A really late comment: sometimes I wonder if it'd be "easier" to induce more of the mutation that some East Asians have, the one which reduces our number of apocine sweat glands, with attendant mitigating effects on BO. Seems like those same SV types would probably also be happy to trade more crumbly earwax for rarely ever needing SpeedStick again. Although I guess that'd apply more to future generations rather than existing persons...
(I'm not sure entirely how it happened, but somehow I rolled a nat20 and can currently go several months between showers with no noticeable odour variance from negligible baseline. Too bad it's not feasible to directly transplant armpit microbiomes, as you say.)
Terrain theory 😊 a lifetime of aluminum will not be great for your brain. People can smell Parkinson’s. I think it’s partly ammonia but also likely something like acrolein and some VOCs from mycobacteria
Preprint analyzing the VOCs just came out this past summer—low oleamide and tropinone (it seems weird to me that there's an endogenous level of this, although apparently it can derive from putrescine via arginine/ornithine.) and low levels of some unspecified alkanes plus high levels of others.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.03.01.530578v2.full.pdf
This is interesting. Oleamide is an indicator of sleep deprivation https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10197045/
Also look at the arginine paradox
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7497051/
Possible bacterial avenues of production
Tropinone - alkaloids. I’ve been down that road a few times. I’ll have to see if I can dig out my alkaloids book. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412926/
Probably a pollutant in the water supply would be my guess.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1574194/#:~:text=These%20data%20demonstrate%20that%20ODA,via%20the%20CB1%20receptor.
Oleomides cannabinoids
Tropanones have been investigated as inhibitors of Mycobacteria. My collaborator Daniel Paredes has published on ornithine/arginine and spermidine as marks in PD. Our microbiome data has some increase in ODC over controls. I have been looking at urea cycle disorders. This is where the arginine comes in to play. I think all three of these compounds are considered neuro protective. The ecosystem is attempting to keep something in check. I suspect Mycobacteria as I’ve been looking at that for at least 5 years.